UK Pension Service - Life Certificate
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CO-CO
Rather wrinkly & occasionally cantankerous member
Me neither. I don't feel that I am missing out.
CO-CO
Rather wrinkly & occasionally cantankerous member
Is that the best you can do?
Yorky
Fullritis Member
Mine was duly prepared, signed by me and "countersigned" today by Young Mister Grace.
I don't understand, given the provisions in the "Memorandum of Understanding between the Department for Work and Pensions, the Pensions Regulator and the Pension Protection Fund" that DWP require another "Life Certificate" given that I submitted one to PPF in November last.
Their Memorandum of Understanding states:
"Purpose
1. This memorandum of understanding establishes a trilateral framework for co-operation between the Department for Work and Pensions, the Pensions Regulator and the Board of the Pension Protection Fund in the field of pension regulation and protection. It sets out the role of each body and explains how they will work together towards the
common objective of pension security. The division of responsibilities is based on four guiding principles:
• clear accountability. Each body must be accountable for its actions, so each must have unambiguous and well- defined responsibilities;
• transparency. Parliament, the pensions community and the public must know what each body is responsible for;
• no duplication. Each body must have a clearly defined role, to avoid second guessing, inefficiency and the duplication of effort. This will help ensure proper accountability;
and
• regular and appropriate information exchange. This will help each body to discharge its responsibilities as efficiently and effectively as possible."
[My highlighting]
I don't understand, given the provisions in the "Memorandum of Understanding between the Department for Work and Pensions, the Pensions Regulator and the Pension Protection Fund" that DWP require another "Life Certificate" given that I submitted one to PPF in November last.
Their Memorandum of Understanding states:
"Purpose
1. This memorandum of understanding establishes a trilateral framework for co-operation between the Department for Work and Pensions, the Pensions Regulator and the Board of the Pension Protection Fund in the field of pension regulation and protection. It sets out the role of each body and explains how they will work together towards the
common objective of pension security. The division of responsibilities is based on four guiding principles:
• clear accountability. Each body must be accountable for its actions, so each must have unambiguous and well- defined responsibilities;
• transparency. Parliament, the pensions community and the public must know what each body is responsible for;
• no duplication. Each body must have a clearly defined role, to avoid second guessing, inefficiency and the duplication of effort. This will help ensure proper accountability;
and
• regular and appropriate information exchange. This will help each body to discharge its responsibilities as efficiently and effectively as possible."
[My highlighting]
Yorky
Fullritis Member
| to: | TVP International Queries <TVP.INTERNATIONALQUERIES@dwp.gov.uk> |
| date: | Feb 10, 2023, 6:56 PM |
| subject: | Life Certificate |
"Dear Sirs,
Yesterday I received the Life Certificate from yourselves and I have today completed it and had it countersigned. I shall post it after the weekend.
However, I completed a similar "Life Certificate" for the PPF last November and maybe in view of the articles of the " Memorandum of Understanding between the Department for Work and Pensions, the Pensions Regulator and the Pension Protection Fund", in particular "no duplication" perhaps it should not be necessary?
Best regards"
Prakhonchai Nick
You chose a custom title
Oops! Have I dropped a bollock? I only had mine witnessed! 
Countersigning is often done for passport applications
Countersigning is often done for passport applications
Yorky
Fullritis Member
Oops! Have I dropped a bollock? I only had mine witnessed!
Countersigning is often done for passport applications
Semantics -
Countersign: add a signature to (a document already signed by another person).
CO-CO
Rather wrinkly & occasionally cantankerous member
Yorky
Fullritis Member
It is irrelevant what the life certificate says it is. The whole point of the letter is that the DWP and their PPF "partners" appear to be duplicating efforts contrary to the memorandum.
If and when DWP respond to the letter saying it's not "countersigned" it's "witnessed", I'll be sure to let you know.
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CO-CO
Rather wrinkly & occasionally cantankerous member
I would say it is totally relevant what the form says.
Don't bother letting me know. - I know the difference.
Yorky
Fullritis Member
Not to me it isn't. And I cannot visualise that DWP will be concerned that I may have used the incorrect nomenclature in the email.
I note that you decline to comment on the main point of the email.
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CO-CO
Rather wrinkly & occasionally cantankerous member
Was there one?
Yorky
Fullritis Member
CO-CO
Rather wrinkly & occasionally cantankerous member
Yorky
Fullritis Member
"Thank you for your email to Newcastle Pension Centre (International Group).
Please can you send us further information with your full name and DOB so we can trace your account.
Please remember to include any previous e-mails below your message. We can only hold emails for a limited period of time by law.
Kind regards,
Saira"
"by law" - I learn something new every day.
Please can you send us further information with your full name and DOB so we can trace your account.
Please remember to include any previous e-mails below your message. We can only hold emails for a limited period of time by law.
Kind regards,
Saira"
"by law" - I learn something new every day.
Yorky
Fullritis Member
Yorky
Fullritis Member
Was the doctor's signature and name and address decipherable?
robjak
Surin Dinosaur
Not his signature but the printed bit was. Haha